6 Cars on Death Row
01-23-2009, 07:12 AM
#31
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You have to watch the "smug alert" episode. Trust me, it is hilarious.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1002/
http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1002/
Great Episode!
01-23-2009, 08:47 AM
#32
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In most ways - I agree that the HHR is a superior version to the PT Cruiser. It is the ultimate do-over. However, fellow HHR owners, let us not forget that yes, the PT Cruiser came first - and just like the Mustang/Camaro rivalry, we would not have one without the other. The original Corvette was saved by the original T-Bird. Where the PT Cruiser was based on a Neon, and the HHR on a far superior Cobalt chassis - There are a few things about the PT I wish would have come over to the HHR - the lift and tumble rear seats - and what seems to be (even to this day) great parcel shelf / table. I never owned a PT - when I went looking Chrysler had screwed up the front end - and I could not longer get the turbo/manual combo, so I bought the HHR. I don't understand why so many of you are frustrated by the PT Cruiser / HHR comparison. I would rather have my car compared to a PT Cruiser than a Scion xB, Pontiac Vibe or Toyota Matrix.
01-23-2009, 08:54 AM
#33
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Wannabe what? Jeep? H1?
H3 is a VERY capable vehicle. I had the pleasure of driving one on the off road course that GM set up a few years ago at an Auto Show in Motion event. Mud bog, hill climb, and boulder run were easy in that truck. While the H2s kept getting stuck, the H3s were just pulling around them and getting through with ease. The key is the locking front axle. You just can't stop them in stock form. There's nothing wannabe about the H3.
The Colorado and Canyon are decent trucks, but they probably would have sold more if they'd had the six-cylinder option and kept the S-series names. Next year the Colorado will have the new direct-injection six that's in the CTS and Camaro.
H3 is a VERY capable vehicle. I had the pleasure of driving one on the off road course that GM set up a few years ago at an Auto Show in Motion event. Mud bog, hill climb, and boulder run were easy in that truck. While the H2s kept getting stuck, the H3s were just pulling around them and getting through with ease. The key is the locking front axle. You just can't stop them in stock form. There's nothing wannabe about the H3.
The Colorado and Canyon are decent trucks, but they probably would have sold more if they'd had the six-cylinder option and kept the S-series names. Next year the Colorado will have the new direct-injection six that's in the CTS and Camaro.
Now if your talking about fuel mileage, I can't argue
01-23-2009, 09:03 AM
#34
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No disrespect intended, but neither the H2 or H3 even comes close to the capability of the H1. They are very capable vehicles, but the H1 is in a class of it's own. Ground clearance without a differential hanging down is just the 1st thing that comes to mind, then there's automatic deflate/inflate of tires from within the cab, etc.
Now if your talking about fuel mileage, I can't argue
Now if your talking about fuel mileage, I can't argue
01-23-2009, 12:21 PM
#37
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The H2 was based on the Tahoe frame, but is actually a 3/4 ton design, the H3 is based on the Colorado. The H3 has much more than "some" offroad capabilities, and I'd put it up against a stock Wrangler or even a Mercedes Gelandewagen any day of the week.
01-23-2009, 01:07 PM
#38
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I think all we are saying is that the original design of the H1 (HumVee) was pure off road, military, beefy, tough VS the H2 and H3 that are off road/street vehicles modified to look like the original. That's probably what was meant by "wanna be"
01-23-2009, 04:39 PM
#39
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Nobody would put it up against the H1. Then again, nobody would put a Jeep Grand Cherokee up against the original military Jeep. However, I would put the H3 up against ANY vehicle ever produced by Jeep in stock form. My point is that calling someone a poser for driving an H2 or H3 is kind of ridiculous. Someone who buys an H2 or H3 knows it's not an H1, and they aren't trying to go around saying they are an H1.
BTW, I have a good friend who daily drives an H1 Alpha. He spends more time in a loaner H2 because he's always breaking the H1A on the weekends...
BTW, I have a good friend who daily drives an H1 Alpha. He spends more time in a loaner H2 because he's always breaking the H1A on the weekends...
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