RUDEINC: I do drive a 5-sp, how do you pop the trim peice off?[/QUOTE]

This is the easiest way....Put your finger like this.....



Gently pull up on the underside of the trim piece....

 

gilldoht....

As mentioned, the key is to assure no one sees you removing and concealing the weapon.

That makes the "hiding place" a non issue.

 

You might talk to your bank and see if they will sell (or give) you a key lock money bag. that way you can leave it on the floor or slide it under the seat and still carry it in the LOCKED bag. I have one that I sometimes carry my mini 9mm.
Good bad and the ugly

See ya down the road.

Bud / Harvey

 

Rude: Thanks!

Sicks.OH: Actually it's legal to open carry in many states, most if you have your CCL, some even if you don't. However, most people dont unless they are off-duty Law Enforcement or active duty military because you are likely to get hassled. I've heard from a friend in Ohio, even though it's legal to open carry, you can be charged with inciting a riot if an officer wants.

And it's never good idea to carry in a bank, concealed or not.

Thanks again for adding to the wealth of HHR knowledge!

 

Recognizing the clear fact that I live in a "cowboy" state, I need to say we are one place that allows you to carry unconcealed or concealed.

Unconcealed....many people have gun racks in their truck back window or/and often travel with a weapon of some sort on the dash. Perfectly legal.

Concealed....you better have a CCW. Permits you to carry anything that is legal (even if you have a 1968 FED. Exemption Lic).

Weapons are still prohibited in certain buildings and locations....establishments that serve alcoholic beverage, municipal buildings, schools, most city, state and National parks, etc. AND anywhere the prohibition is posted on the front door or window.

 

careful snoopy,
the laws are not quite as liberal here in az as you may think. hi all i'm new by the way, just purchased a 2006 HHR, and love it. will post my newbie hi soon. i used to work at Caswells shooting range snoopy just down the road from you in mesa. i have sold many handguns and as a result have had many questions asked about this very subject. the laws differ between the stereotypical rifle rack in the truck vs. handguns. in a nutshell and a good rule of thumb is that you carry your firearm in your trunk in a locked container or scabard seperate from the ammunition. not the most practical method i realize. if you carry the firearm inside the vehicle it must be holstered or in a scabard and in plain view or 'visible', and there are definitions to what a holster is. you may not legally carry a gun unholstered under the seat or in the glove box, this is considered 'brandishing'. but here you run into grey areas which leave for much interpretation. my gun range did all of the law enforcement glock orders for most of the pd's in the phoenix area, so we got to ask the officers point blank (pardon the pun) what their interpretation of the law was and how they dealt with such situations. the general concensus was that they wanted 1 level of physical firearm access in place for the gun owner, hence the holster or scabard. that means they (the officer) can physically see the firearm is in a safe and non threatening condition to themelves or others by the bearer. an unholstered firearm tucked under the seat is a great way to get yourself in a very touchy situation with an officer, and if they find one, be prepared to get drawn on. there was some debate whether or not you could carry under the seat unholstered if you had a ccw permit, again grey area open for interpretation and you can really get your brain in a knot reading those statutes. myself, after carrying legally concealed for years, would never leave a gun under the seat, or in a glove box, my colts are way too expensive. the best system for me was simply to get my concealed carry permit. that way it was on me covered up, not in the open to 'freak people out' and believe me, people freak right out when they see an open carry kocked and locked colt 45, and if i get pulled over, the police officer will see immediately on his lookup screen that i legally possess and conceal firearms, and of course put and keep your hands on the steering wheel!! i can't stress that one enough. imagine the officers reaction when you get your license, insurace and registration from the glove box and blammo, there's your unholstered firearm. no thanks! this is all common sense stuff really folks, the officers don't want the bad guy to have instant access to the firearms (unholstered) when they walk up to the window to check things out. which makes sense to me. i know the original posting question was what to do with your firearm when going in to a place of business that does not allow them. the best solutions we came up with at Caswells shooting range in accordance with the law were unfortunately some kind of locking case. some members bolted a lockable safe in the trunk, which an hhr doesn't have. maybe we need to come up with a locking mechanism for the glovebox as a mod. jeez if we can lower these hot rods and do grill swappouts, i can't imagine installing a lock could be so difficult. holster the firearm, lock it in the glovebox and go about your business. your not breaking any laws, the firearm with be safe, locked and out of view for the few moments you need to be in the bank or post office, which for me isn't usually more than five or ten minutes. then i can resume my normal conceal regimine. does this inspire anyone to help researching a locking glovebox mechanism? sorry about the long post :) i feel very strongly and privaleged about arizona gun laws and just want to set the record straight. oh here is a link to the statutes. please read them and make your own determination.
http://www.packing.org/state/arizona/#statecar_law

 

Thanks, piggiepig.....

and I agree with most of the post. And I should have revealed more detail.

But I was speaking, of the adjudicated law.....not of interpretation. A cop can arrest you for almost anything, by interpretation (and I did). But the bottom like is, what the courts have established as precedent. Sure, you still can get the "hassle" from the patrol officer, but he/she better know what they are doing or be subject to civil penalties (I could also give a really good personal example relating to a licensed automatic weapon...but I'll skip it).

For example....you mentioned (which I agree with), carrying a pistol in a "holster" on the dash, as "plain view". I know of 2 incidents, in 2 different jurisdictions of Arizona, that people were arrested for that very act. The arresting officers based their assessment on concealed weapon requirements, indicating the firearm was concealed because of the holster. The incidents was later, dismissed by the jurisdictions' prosecuting attorney. Clearly, a mistake and a stupid oversight by the officers and their superiors.
But, no need to hassle....glad you joined the forum and a very big .

I'm very much familiar with Caswells...done some business there...but, not recently.

 

You could just get a bad a** dog to sit in the car..

 

thanks for the Welcome snoopy, i haven't been there in sometime myself. i worked there almost 7years ago, i know a lot has changed since then. who knows, maybe we've met. it's a tough situation sometimes with firearms and the local constability. believe me the confusion is on both sides of the fence. i've always erred toward 'in your best interest' logic when dealing with officers when i'm armed. served me well so far and they really appreciate it too. especially the part with my hands on the steering wheel. thanks for your responses snoopy.
matt b.

 

Matt....if I may use you name (feel like old friends, already )

The hands on the steering wheel thing is excellent and was established, I'm told, from old time law enforcement. It was a signal, that off-duty or non uniformed officers used, to signal they were armed.

The prescribed method was with the palms of the hands at the top of the wheel (11 and 1 o'clock position) and the fingers spread apart.

Used this a number of years ago, coming through Oklahoma. The 2 "staties", who stopped 2 long haired, unshaven, "hippie" freaks in a new Corvette, new immediately . Had a good time with them .

Just thought I would add a little trivia.