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Old 03-17-2007 | 04:22 PM
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Sounds fishy! Never heard of that.
From chevy.net: MERCHANDISED TRANS Transmission, , 4-speed automatic, includes (AP3) remote vehicle starter system (MX0) $1,000.00 Transmission, , 5-speed manual (MM5) $0.00

Maybe Desert Coyote was right -
"#3, and here's a big one ... if it's an automatic, is it even equipped with cruise control? Because if it isn't, then your stepdad got seriously hosed on that deal, because he was sold a "Special Value" edition (a thing GM does on a number of models: my wife's G6 was a "Special Value" edition which was priced about $2000 lower than a typical G6 but sacrificed little things like cruise control.). He should've paid close to the minimum MSRP for what he got."
Old 03-17-2007 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tamar0804
Well dad called back and said the dealer told him they payed 850.00 for the trans that why he did not get a auto starter on it if he would have payed 1000.00 for the trans he would have gotten one.When my mother gets home I will have her scan up her window sticker they happened to say (he left there and they have been trying to call him to come and get), so we can see the brake down.
Read my post #17...It is absolutely ILLEGAL to deliver a new vehicle without the window sticker ATTACHED TO THE WINDOW!! If they delivered the car with the Monroney (Window Sticker) removed, they have violated the law and the deal should be NULL AND VOID!
Old 03-17-2007 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hhrmajesty
Read my post #17...It is absolutely ILLEGAL to deliver a new vehicle without the window sticker ATTACHED TO THE WINDOW!! If they delivered the car with the Monroney (Window Sticker) removed, they have violated the law and the deal should be NULL AND VOID!
With all due respect hhrmajesty, almost every dealer in the country gives final delivery without the sticker in place. That would mean almost every delivery could be made null and void. But as I was told by GM, once the vehicle is viewed and the deal is agreed, the prep of the vehicle involves the removal of the sticker (and the Feds agree to that). IMO they should give you the MSRP sticker as part of the delivery. BUT.....

Because a dealer, removes the sticker does not NECESSARILY mean the deal is void. It just means the dealer MAY need to pay a fine or get his butt slapped, whatever the Federal Law mandates/prescribes in the law. We all would like to see "things" go to an extreme in our direction but, it just does not happen most of the time.
Old 03-17-2007 | 11:38 PM
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I forgot to grab my sticker also and they are ordering me a new one because i want it. He said it should have been in the glove box and the porter that did the prep was getting a reprimand for not putting it in as it is federal law that it needs to be in the car upon delivery. Hope everything turns out ok for your Dad.
Old 03-18-2007 | 09:46 AM
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If he financed out a little over $17k with taxes included, that'd only be about $15k to $16k for the car itself. He may have indeed wound up with a car intended for the fleet market without the remote starter, too.

Honestly, though, if your stepdad really wanted the remote starter, he should have made sure it had it before he signed the papers. Also, anyone who doesn't at least look over the window sticker shouldn't even be ALLOWED to get financing on a car. That's just asking to get taken for a ride.
Old 03-18-2007 | 11:11 AM
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Well the price 17,900 was with destination charges not financing, your right he should have made sure before he signed papers that it came with that auto start, but he is the kind of man that does not speak up he is soft spoken and has a big sign on his head that says you can take advantage of him,thats what makes him a great person and at the same time a door mat.
Old 03-18-2007 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Snoopy
With all due respect hhrmajesty, almost every dealer in the country gives final delivery without the sticker in place. That would mean almost every delivery could be made null and void. But as I was told by GM, once the vehicle is viewed and the deal is agreed, the prep of the vehicle involves the removal of the sticker (and the Feds agree to that). IMO they should give you the MSRP sticker as part of the delivery. BUT.....

Because a dealer, removes the sticker does not NECESSARILY mean the deal is void. It just means the dealer MAY need to pay a fine or get his butt slapped, whatever the Federal Law mandates/prescribes in the law. We all would like to see "things" go to an extreme in our direction but, it just does not happen most of the time.
This situation involves a case of possible fraud and that makes the removal of the sticker very relavent. If you were told by GM that removal is part of the prep and the Feds agree to that, I'm sorry, but you have been lied to. Click on the link in my above post for the full information. Here is a quote from that link:

"Monroney Sticker Price (MSRP) shows the base price, the manufacturer’s installed options with the manufacturer’s suggested retail price, the manufac-turer’s transportation charge, and the fuel economy (mileage). Affixed to the car window, this label is required by federal law, and may be removed only by the purchaser."

I am not saying that most dealers don't remove it and give it to the customer. I am saying that because it was removed, they didn't give it to him and there appears to be the potential for fraud...he has a situation that should enable him to back out or at the very least renegotiate the deal.
Old 03-18-2007 | 12:35 PM
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Just because someone paid more than MSRP doesn't mean that it is fraud...
Old 03-18-2007 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Interested
Just because someone paid more than MSRP doesn't mean that it is fraud...
Please don't read into it what isn't there. I never said anything about fraud just because someone paid more than MSRP. That happens all the time with hot new vehicles. I've given my .02 on the situation and sticking to my opinion...everyone else is welcome to theirs.
Old 03-18-2007 | 01:53 PM
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I'll go with Interested...

How is it POSSIBLE Fraud???? It appears, at this point, he purchased a car assembled for the rental market. I'm not aware of any requirement to disclose that.

And the .gov site you refer to does NOT supply "full information", as you suggest. I highly doubt 1 short paragraph, in an entire associated article on car purchasing tips, provides the "full Information". It does not quote a penalty for such a violation and, it does not provide a Statute number. As such, if you are relying on this as the "full information" it is worthless as written. It does not provide the requirements of a law, as I stated.

So, all I'm asking is to provide valid information to support your opinion.

That is my opinion....



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