edwinalink

uh "jap cars???!?!!!"

YOU HAVE A FLIPPING ECOTEC ENGINE!!!!

I think the Xb has plenty of personality, and FEELS faster, and rides smoother at the same speeds...

BUT. on the flip side, while the center mounted gauges are no longer distracting( they're actually angled in such a way you get a better view than you would with the wheel in the way.) the center gauges in the ECHO were hell. and put me off them for a while.

and what the flip is up with that backup light! agreed, its like a mole the Xb should go see a doctor about.

P.S.

I'm sure that toyota can get more out of a naturally aspirated 2.4 I-4 than chevy... they've been doing it a lot longer...

and as for domestics making it to 200,000 miles... fords do it all the time... and newer chevy's seem to me to be capable of it with a little love!

and... anyone who says a toyota is put together like crap is deluded...

but, anyone who calls them ugly... has eyeballs!

pappa_smurf

just watched an ad about the new concept vehicle from Kia. It is the Soul'ster. It is kind of a Jeep Wrangler version of the Soul. It has a 2-piece removable roof, 4 cantilevered bucket seats and is a 2-door, but still has the rear hatch which is now a tailgate. The windshield is chopped down a bit also. Kinda looks like a small Hum-Vee. Most everything else about it is identical to the Soul. Still not much of a color selection.

edwinalink

half of me says

"convertible good"

the other says

"kia bad"

and the other other says

"arent you selling your jeep? okay, shutup then."

sp52075

oops I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit FUGLY

Jeff90125

I agree in the early 80s Chevy was producing crap. My 83 Monte carlo was a sweet looking car. It had T-Tops and had a ton of personality. The engine was a piece-o-crap. It was a 3.8 liter (305 with two cylinders chopped off) and would knock and ping and would spew acrid smoke when first started.

In 1987 GM produced the 2.8 liter V6. Designed as a 6 from the ground up. What a sweet engine. Then they added multi-port fuel injection. I bought one. I had a 1988 Chevy Beretta. I owned trhat car for 9 years. Loved it. It ran like a top till the day I traded it in.

You say, "Who cares about profits?" I do. No, I don't own stock in GM. But I do care where the money goes or stays. I want to keep as much money in the U.S. that I can. That way it can be spent here once again. If the profits go to Japan, it is more likely to be spent there.

I believe there should be high tariffs on any imports. Not just cars but anything. I have two reasons for this:

1) Foreign companies should have to pay for the privilege of doing business in the United States.

2) As additional encouragement for Americans to buy American products or to discourage buying foreign products.

As an example: I am a musician. Fender musical instruments has two lines. American and ... well they just don;t say American. they are build in Mexico. They both are built to the same specs. they are very difficult if not impossible to tell apart without looking at the label. Where an American model will be $800 a Mexican one will be $350. I say put a $200 tariff on the Mexican. It will still be cheaper and will raise revenue for the U.S.

Added bonus; less money that will have to be raised from the citizens.

Ha! I should run for congress!

hyperv6

It is built by an American based company. Sorry I don't buy into the big lie as too many do today.

The money mostly comes back to my community since we have many GM based division in my area.

My community gets little to nothing from Toyota and most other imports.

I don't care where the HHR is built but I do care where the corperation that built it is based. I care where their money comes back to.

Do you even understand the plan is only a few miles form Texas? We are not talking about the Gatamala border here. The economic impact even effect Texas and other states as they do supply parts.

You do understand the engine in my SS is from Spring Hill TN? Do under stand many other parts of my HHR were made here in the states to be assembled in the Mexico plant. You do understand your engine came from Tonowanda NY? You do understand that many of the parts for the Asian cars are imported to this country from Japan and are only assmebled here?

The bulk of GMs cars and money is spent right here.

You can sit around and try to justify it 72 ways but as long as Toyota is based in Toyota City in Japan that is where the money goes. Might check where GM is based. I think the have an office in Detroit? The day Mr Toyoda moves his office, coperation and residence to this country I will feel then it truely is a American company.

The bottom line is my HHR has more economic impact on this country and continent that most Toyotas or Hondas.

It is getting hard because of people who don't care for our country but I still try to buy what is here as I can.

Also the lie that American cars are not able to go high mileage does bother me. American cars can go every bit as far as an import. In fact that is nothing new. I can show you count less old Chevys that have seen 200K to over 500K miles.

On the other hand I have friends in the repair industry that make a killing off of Toyotas and Hondas as they wear our part just as any other car.

Our country is being sold away one lie at a time and sorry if I do not fall for same lie like so many do.

Because of all the Illegal Aliens in California does that make you a 4 country? No! But has it hurt your economy and job market Yes! Have your elected officials done anything to help the native Californians not much. Have many moved to Oregon and Colorado to get away from the high cost living and taxes that support the illegals that don't pay the income tax? Yes! Do the people in your stater keep reelecting these people Yes?

Sorry for the off topic but California is a snap shot of there this country is headed. Buying a car built by an American based company is my small way of trying to help.

Might read the chapter in the book Why GM Matters on how Toyota a the Toyoda family has and does buisness. It is very interesting and very unforgiving. They are not the shinny happy family as portrayed. They come from a line of Shoguns and still practice their ruthless ways. To put it simple they do not care about America but only dollars. Just check how much money over the years the big three have donated vs what Toyota has given back to the communities in this country.

xzombiex66

What are you doing on a Chevy forum if all your going to do is talk crap about them LMAO it makes no since to me you buy a GM car then talk crap go over to a scion forum and talk about how bad chevy are, TROLL.

pg318

What's the issue with Ecotec? It was designed by GM Europe (Opel), who have a long history of four-pots with high specific output. It's assembled in Tonawanda NY.

catdaddy137

either way those vehicles can not compete with the hhr . the hhr has better performance /handling , stylng , economy , larger cargo area. i looked at all of them , and seriously considered all of them before i purhased the hhr. the only vehicle i found comparable was the toyota rav , and it lost in the style competition.

MIKEYfixit

I don't feel at all unpatriotic about buying a car from south of the border. Besides...I can't stand the way I'm treated by the lazy a$$ local UAW warehouse that I have to make deliveries to. They're one of the worst customers I have to deal with!