Is Super Tech Fuel Injector Cleaner A Good Product?
07-19-2007 | 10:29 AM
#11
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From: Michigan
I second this sentiment, but for more reasons. A bit of background, I worked in Fuel Injecteor Quality department at Bosch (now in a different department). Ive analyzed thousands of warranty and durability test fuel injectors.
The injectors have a 100,000 mile life expectancy. They reach the end of their effective life because there is a filter in the inlet of the injector that eventually clog up. By putting these "injector cleaners" in, You break the captured contaminants to a smaller size and allow them to move to the critical areas like the injector valve seat, the manifold vlave seat, or even into the compression chamber, where they can cause valves to stick open, scar the valve seats etc etc....
so the short version... Injector cleaners dont do anything other than potentially cause greater engine issues!
The injectors have a 100,000 mile life expectancy. They reach the end of their effective life because there is a filter in the inlet of the injector that eventually clog up. By putting these "injector cleaners" in, You break the captured contaminants to a smaller size and allow them to move to the critical areas like the injector valve seat, the manifold vlave seat, or even into the compression chamber, where they can cause valves to stick open, scar the valve seats etc etc....
so the short version... Injector cleaners dont do anything other than potentially cause greater engine issues!
07-19-2007 | 10:37 AM
#12
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Joined: 07-17-2006
Posts: 6,052
From: Dallas, GA
I second this sentiment, but for more reasons. A bit of background, I worked in Fuel Injecteor Quality department at Bosch (now in a different department). Ive analyzed thousands of warranty and durability test fuel injectors.
The injectors have a 100,000 mile life expectancy. They reach the end of their effective life because there is a filter in the inlet of the injector that eventually clog up. By putting these "injector cleaners" in, You break the captured contaminants to a smaller size and allow them to move to the critical areas like the injector valve seat, the manifold vlave seat, or even into the compression chamber, where they can cause valves to stick open, scar the valve seats etc etc....
so the short version... Injector cleaners dont do anything other than potentially cause greater engine issues!
The injectors have a 100,000 mile life expectancy. They reach the end of their effective life because there is a filter in the inlet of the injector that eventually clog up. By putting these "injector cleaners" in, You break the captured contaminants to a smaller size and allow them to move to the critical areas like the injector valve seat, the manifold vlave seat, or even into the compression chamber, where they can cause valves to stick open, scar the valve seats etc etc....
so the short version... Injector cleaners dont do anything other than potentially cause greater engine issues!
Never worked for any manufactor, just 23+ years working automotive maintenace and a few years in parts sales. I review maintenance repairs and track history reports on them daily.
07-19-2007 | 01:51 PM
#13
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Joined: 05-09-2006
Posts: 6,805
From: "Upland" Mesa, Arizona
Not true. Most gas is perfectly fine. The problems are the in ground tanks. Old tanks af course are the worse. But any tank after a it has been refilled stirs up all the crap at the bottom and guess where it goes if you stop by soon after (or during like some do). That goes in your tank. All fuel tanks have sediment on the bottom. Exxon is no better than ElCheapo.
Read the label on a bottle of BG44K and then read the label on a can of Seafoam. Seafoam can also be used as a top engine cleaner, clean sludge out of the botton of an engine. It is a much better cleaner than any typical fuel injection cleaner. That is why I only use it once a year, it is not needed more than that. Do some rearch and you will see a huge differance.
Read the label on a bottle of BG44K and then read the label on a can of Seafoam. Seafoam can also be used as a top engine cleaner, clean sludge out of the botton of an engine. It is a much better cleaner than any typical fuel injection cleaner. That is why I only use it once a year, it is not needed more than that. Do some rearch and you will see a huge differance.
I'm wondering what you mean by, "crap at the bottom" (remembering oil is lighter than water)??? If you are speaking of solids...dirt, rust particles, etc....that is what your fuel filters are for. The chemical fuel additives do nothing for those. They just allow tar accumulation to desolve and burn off as well as minute particles of condensation.
As far as using an additive as a prevention.....GM says it's not necessary. But, anyone can do what they wish (are you ready for this) AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH !!!
But also your statement regarding Exxon vs El Cheapo......just is not quite true either.
That is why GM as well as several other vehicle manufacturers tell you to use a TOP-TIER gasoline. ElCheapo's only use the minimum amount of additives necessary to prescribed to EPA rules, which allows the fuel to be sold in the US. The TOP-TIERS expend additional effort in formulations (sometimes proprietary) to provide a fuel that will BETTER assist in keeping the fuel system clean and the vehicle running smooth. And, ALL vehicle manufacturers tests have confirmed this.
But, if someone uses Top-Tier fuel AND an additional fuel additive I see no harm.IMO
07-19-2007 | 01:56 PM
#14
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Joined: 07-17-2006
Posts: 6,052
From: Dallas, GA
Solman....
I'm wondering what you mean by, "crap at the bottom" (remembering oil is lighter than water)??? If you are speaking of solids...dirt, rust particles, etc....that is what your fuel filters are for. The chemical fuel additives do nothing for those. They just allow tar accumulation to desolve and burn off as well as minute particles of condensation.
As far as using an additive as a prevention.....GM says it's not necessary. But, anyone can do what they wish (are you ready for this) AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH !!!
But also your statement regarding Exxon vs El Cheapo......just is not quite true either.
That is why GM as well as several other vehicle manufacturers tell you to use a TOP-TIER gasoline. ElCheapo's only use the minimum amount of additives necessary to prescribed to EPA rules, which allows the fuel to be sold in the US. The TOP-TIERS expend additional effort in formulations (sometimes proprietary) to provide a fuel that will BETTER assist in keeping the fuel system clean and the vehicle running smooth. And, ALL vehicle manufacturers tests have confirmed this.
But, if someone uses Top-Tier fuel AND an additional fuel additive I see no harm.IMO
I'm wondering what you mean by, "crap at the bottom" (remembering oil is lighter than water)??? If you are speaking of solids...dirt, rust particles, etc....that is what your fuel filters are for. The chemical fuel additives do nothing for those. They just allow tar accumulation to desolve and burn off as well as minute particles of condensation.
As far as using an additive as a prevention.....GM says it's not necessary. But, anyone can do what they wish (are you ready for this) AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH !!!
But also your statement regarding Exxon vs El Cheapo......just is not quite true either.
That is why GM as well as several other vehicle manufacturers tell you to use a TOP-TIER gasoline. ElCheapo's only use the minimum amount of additives necessary to prescribed to EPA rules, which allows the fuel to be sold in the US. The TOP-TIERS expend additional effort in formulations (sometimes proprietary) to provide a fuel that will BETTER assist in keeping the fuel system clean and the vehicle running smooth. And, ALL vehicle manufacturers tests have confirmed this.
But, if someone uses Top-Tier fuel AND an additional fuel additive I see no harm.IMO
BTW, ElCheapo was not referring to that particular station.
07-19-2007 | 01:57 PM
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Joined: 07-25-2006
Posts: 1,198
From: Enid, Oklahoma
I don't know anything about the refining process and additives of gasoline. I always use Shell for a few reasons:
1) It is Top-Tier. I don't trust El Cheapos anymore because I got bad gas (watery) once.
2) It's close to my house (I can be lazy sometimes
)
3) It's actually not much more expensive than the El cheapo stations around here.
I've had my car for 10 months, I haven't added fuel injector cleaner or anything, and it's still runnin...
1) It is Top-Tier. I don't trust El Cheapos anymore because I got bad gas (watery) once.
2) It's close to my house (I can be lazy sometimes
)3) It's actually not much more expensive than the El cheapo stations around here.
I've had my car for 10 months, I haven't added fuel injector cleaner or anything, and it's still runnin...
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