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11-17-2008, 09:41 AM
#51
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GM only builds the body, engine and transmission. Everything else is supplied by vendors. If the vendors build crap parts then GMs fault here is for using bad vendors. A lot of the components are made all over the world and then supplied to the vendors who then create a component to be installed. Some of the countries I see stamped on parts are Mexico, China, Malaysia, Canada, Bulgaria, Taiwan, Guatamala, Brazil and the list goes on. Seems to be a world wide problem with quality.
11-17-2008, 09:44 AM
#52
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Gee, so If my car was not built in Canada and made in the States I would not had issue with it too?
Hmmmm.....
I think you will find faults are more a problem of how the car is designed and the model vs who is putting on the parts in what country.
For the record my HHR has not had any issues to this point and has been better than many past cars I have owned. I have no issues with build quality.
Now that is not to say I may have an issue with design quality later.
Hmmmm.....
I think you will find faults are more a problem of how the car is designed and the model vs who is putting on the parts in what country.
For the record my HHR has not had any issues to this point and has been better than many past cars I have owned. I have no issues with build quality.
Now that is not to say I may have an issue with design quality later.
. I was just trying to say that the turnover for the jobs in the Mexican plant is large, as many employees quit and then the process to have to hire and retrain new employees begins again. My understanding from inside sources state that there is frequent job replacements in the plant in Mexico. As a matter of fact, there is a plant manager in the Oshawa plant that came from Mexico. I suppose he is in the oshawa plant for experience to take to Mexico at some time in the future.
11-17-2008, 09:48 AM
#53
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GM only builds the body, engine and transmission. Everything else is supplied by vendors. If the vendors build crap parts then GMs fault here is for using bad vendors. A lot of the components are made all over the world and then supplied to the vendors who then create a component to be installed. Some of the countries I see stamped on parts are Mexico, China, Malaysia, Canada, Bulgaria, Taiwan, Guatamala, Brazil and the list goes on. Seems to be a world wide problem with quality.
11-17-2008, 09:53 AM
#54
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GM only builds the body, engine and transmission. Everything else is supplied by vendors. If the vendors build crap parts then GMs fault here is for using bad vendors. A lot of the components are made all over the world and then supplied to the vendors who then create a component to be installed. Some of the countries I see stamped on parts are Mexico, China, Malaysia, Canada, Bulgaria, Taiwan, Guatamala, Brazil and the list goes on. Seems to be a world wide problem with quality.
11-17-2008, 10:39 AM
#55
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I'm STILL waiting for it to trickle down from the Reagon era.
11-17-2008, 10:48 AM
#56
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So, I guess you were equally upset when the rich got huge tax breaks and the Middle Class was expected to make up the difference? In other words: Taking from those that don't have to give to those that do...
I'm STILL waiting for it to trickle down from the Reagon era.
I'm STILL waiting for it to trickle down from the Reagon era.
0bamas tax breaks for 95% of the public are really interesting when 44% of those people pay NO taxes. Why would they be entitled to something they haven't even worked for.
Do you really think it is fair that 5% of the people should pay 95% of the taxes? That's not what this great nation is all about. Go to France if you want socialism.
11-17-2008, 10:55 AM
#57
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11-17-2008, 12:29 PM
#59
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I don't want to turn this into a political thread; although, the whole GM bailout is a political issue more than an economic one. But...
I don't think you quite have your facts correct; the "44% [who] pay no taxes" are not necessarily people who haven't worked, but people whose income and deductions cause them to receive a refund to the extent that they do not owe taxes. They have worked. Obama is not proposing to hand us money but to lower the tax rate. Thus, for those who actually do not work and do not pay taxes, they get nothing.
Is it fair for, say, Hedge Fund managers who make a billion and pay less taxes than "Joe the Plumber"? As far as Socialism, the proportional income tax has been around a long, long time. The Earned Income Credit, where someone can receive a refund greater than the tax withheld, was started by Ronal Reagan, the poster child for Conservatives.
Is it fair for, say, Hedge Fund managers who make a billion and pay less taxes than "Joe the Plumber"? As far as Socialism, the proportional income tax has been around a long, long time. The Earned Income Credit, where someone can receive a refund greater than the tax withheld, was started by Ronal Reagan, the poster child for Conservatives.
