No we see what the unions have done through the years to companies and aren't biased by getting the union PR spoon fed to us for our whole working life.

 

Give up, Cokey.....

Every time you post something about the union, you will get adverse reactions from the majority of members here. It has already been documented from previous posts. And I do understand "the pure being of a workforce....". I just don't think any of the THREE sides of this monumental and catastrophic situation really appreciate the other position....or care.

While I like to read views from all sides in a debate, I do realize if a union rep, or for that matter an auto company rep, is making the statements, they tend to be slanted for their personal gain. But, good factual info can be culled from the articles, with a little research.

I think you (as well as all of us) tend to be slanted for your union leadership. But that's a good thing for you. I personally, don't believe the unions have favorably represented the workers in the US (can't speak for Canada). The leaders looked and supported gains that were immediate (much the same as the auto manufacturers) and disregarded the long term. Thus, the industry is in the current position because of these foolish mistakes....again, both sides.

But, I do appreciate the info you post and enjoy reading it.

Oh, one other thing.....and just my opinion. But, most people are not led "as sheep" by the media to their belief of unions. If they did believe the media, they would be supporting the unions. The press, at least in this country, is very liberal and supportive of the labor movement. But when they print articles related to $70/hr (including benefits, holidays, vacation time, etc.) for a fork lift driver at an assembly plant AND the same skill at any other location is half or less than that, will cause some dissension.

The fact of the matter, and I can't directly say the union was a cause.....but every major industry that was union represented has lost the business presence in this country. Think about it.....garments, shoes, optics, cameras, electronics, textiles, furniture, toys, customer related services.....I read the other day, that many radiologists are now reading prints that are transferred electronically, from the US to India. I personally drew a line on financial records. I discovered the CPA I used for 12-15 years, was sending MY RECORDS to an "off shore" company to be "crunched". I now have a new CPA.

My point for the last paragraph.... it has to stop soon, or as the unions and auto manufacturers have done, we will be digging our own graves.

Cokey, I do wish you luck and I do mean that.

 

Thats becasue the UAW gets zero sympathy form the public at large and those within the ranks simply don't get it.

The letter begins with "through no fault of our own" I did not have to read past that to understand they take zero responsibility for the mess GM is in...LOL They are trying to protect themselves from irate Union members who gave up their individual sovereignty to the UAW to negotiate for them. The BS about Toyota workers getting what they get because of the UAW is just that. Toyota and other domestic metric autoworkers get what they will work for. No more no less. They make far less in total compensation and still they have never gone on or threatened a strike. Apparently they are content and the UAW hates that.

 

I have some respect for line workers.

i have no respect for the UNIONS.

and I, like most sane, non deluded, non union, human beings will probably never think its okay for someone without a college education to make 40+ dollars an hour. when many honest people are making 15 with a college education.

 

There are college and university educated people working on the auto lines and are union members...lol. What a small world some people live in.

 

There is also a small number of people who have been successful in the business world and never graduated high school.

The point is these people represent a small part of that group and are not the norm.

 

Its no wonder considering the inflated compensation packages extorted from the Auto companies. An auto worker makes more (made more) than a college Professor!!! LOL. Something is wrong with that picture and it done fell off the wall........

Looks like thay will have to actually use their education now. From what I am reading Michican is suffering a "brain drain" The Educated are leaving for greener pastures leaving the rest behind.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090...staggers+state

 

you couldnt say it any better......

it needs to happen from BOTH sides.........

A quarter is not a quarter unless it has both sides..

 

lmao i think you hit the nail on the head with that one. unions are killing companies off faster than anything in this country and the union members are too blind to see reality. i find it quite funny to watch the news and see local UNION companies dropping like flies after the company warned the unions for over a year that they can no longer support the crazy wages they demand and the union refuses to listen to them. they are so blind with greed they would rather get $70/hr for a year and put the company under and then have no job than to "struggle" on $50/hr and have a job for life.

What can you do though, the organized crime i mean the union has their members so brain washed that they can not see it until it is too late. Then you get to watch them on the news crying about losing their job because the evil company went bankrupt not because they had no money but because they were evil and did not want to give them another raise lmao!

 

We have an old steel plant in this area. They make an end product line of steel wire/cable. About 3 or 4 years ago the company told the union, we are a right to work state but they have a union, that they needed to work on some give backs in the new contract or they had to close the plant. The union told the workers to refuse and they did and went on strike. After a month of being on strike and the company talking to them about the problem and them not listening the company closed the plant and went out of business. You should have heard the screaming about ALL the workers losing their jobs and what would they do now.

The plant was sold after being closed 6 months and the new company laid out the rules for the union and started production. Since then they have had to close the plant twice because of economy and the cost of doing business with the union people. They have currently been closed for the last month and are hoping to be able to restart soon but the union guys still haven't figured it out.