Snoopy

hey chingchonger.....

Thank you for the clarification !! I reviewed your initial post and thought you probably were more directed to the health care issue that MM. But, it is still kind of open to express an opinion either way, since you provided a link to him.

Also, sometimes, getting to many people involved only inhibits the intent of the activity.....especially asking our politicians to become involved.

I'm for a CIVILIAN committee to research and provide the correct direction....and I mean CIVILIAN....not something instituted and directed by our "statesman" .

For example, maybe the committee should be composed of 2 picks from each party and 3 from the civilian arena (drawn from a hat kind of thing).

GRUMPEE

Sure I'm concerned with rising costs and excess compensation, the system needs reforms. But National health Care?

If we do get national health insurance I hope it doesn't create a health care system that gets bogged down in the inefficiency/stupidity that has become health care for Miltary retirees and their dependents, ie. What my mother has experienced @ San Diego Naval Medical Center.

2 weeks ago, waited in Preop Anesthesia Screening from 1100 - 1700, less the a dozen people a head of us. Most of the time of which I see the Corpsman who was performing the screening, walking in & out of the area stuffing his face w/doughnuts.

Today, @ 0600 reported to Same Day Surgery Admitting Center, Building 4, 4th floor. Informed that surgery will occur @0830.

0815, Mother wheel chaired out into the cold to Opthamology building 2, 2nd floor. Waited outside the operating suite,

0845, Informed by the doctor that there will be a delay while they get the pharmacy to find an alternate local anesthesia, because he just found out my mother has had past reactions to Lidocaine. This was reported during preop screening the week before - why wasn't this potential problem flagged and addressed before the surgery date?

0930, the doctor tells us that the operation has to be rescheduled til next year and will be done with general anesthesia (longer recovery, greater chance of things going wrong), because the hospital will only allow use of lidocaine or general anesthesia.

I'm an ex military brat who has also experienced the system in the past. What, I now see of what dependent care in the military system has become is too close of an analogy of what I fear universal health care and socialized medicine can become. Maybe that's enough for most people, but for those whose serve and their families, it has to be better.

Unless I can be given the choice to evaluate and pick my health care provider, like I do now, no thanks...I'll stick with my copay and Employer subsidized health insurance.

chingchonger

I have known some friends who where recently in the military. A lot of them say that the Army facilities are the worst and the Air force facilities are the best. No matter how much improvement anything gets, they're never good enough for some folks, but better is still better.

Here's the link to the H.R. 676
http://www.pnhp.org/docs/nhi_bill_final.pdf

Here's a link for people in California. California Universal Health Care Act (S.B. 840 text)
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bil...d_asm_v96.html

Goose

Totally against any form of universal health care...one area the government does NOT need to get involved.

I now have to pay for my health insurance thanks to the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts. My employer did not want to charge me for health care but he has no choice whatsoever now. Leave socialism and Hillary and her boondoggle health system out of my pockets.





Goose

Snoopy

You know....what I find interesting....

People who have experienced benefits or services supplied by OUR government are, generally totally against a government supplied health care system.

Does that indicate anything............???????? hmmmmmmm

Goose

From absolute first hand experience....that is a resounding yes Snoop


Goose

chingchonger

Where are the facts that support that?

chingchonger

It seems like you have really strong feelings against socialism. So you would rather have a "pure" capitalistic economy without any type of socialism? Everyone for themselves, right?

Snoopy

Don't get your knickers in a bind I really don't need any facts. It is an opinion like many other statements on this forum. Anyway, I was counting the "heads" on this sight, as well as friends who are currently or previously employees of Da Gov, one way or another......that includes me.

Da Gov can't even run itself, efficiently. Why should we intrust our health services to them?

And I don't believe socialism has worked, successfully, anywhere !!! But, I'm not saying you shouldn't try, if you think it will make you happy.

fantomfreke

It kinda does. I base this solely of the fact that are are tons of people that take his incoherent ramblings and quarter-truths as fact. If he has attached his name to it, its something i want nothing to do with.
Government healthcare is great? Tell that to my grandfather (R.I.P.). He went into the VA hospital in IL on 1/16, walking, talking, full of piss and vinegar (pardon the expression). After his "routine" surgery he came out in a coma, kidney functions gone and not even noticed by VA staff until my sister (a RN) pointed out the stats and stated that he needed to be on dialysis.
We had to wait a full twelve hours to transfer him to another hospital because not a single solitary person in that whole damn hospital knew how to work a dialysis machine!!! We laid him to rest on 1/20. The VA is now under investigation for several (including his i believe) "unusual or unexplainable deaths resulting from surgery". They are not even allowed to do surgeries there at this time.
So forgive me if I sound a little bitter but the last place i EVER want be forced to go is a government run hospital. I have to take my other grandfather to the VA because they dont reimburse is he goes to a normal hospital, and believe me we watch the employees and his stats like a hawk while we are there and after we leave. Just watch the news and look at reed hospital, which supposedly has been the flagship model for army hospitals. For that matter watch Catch 22.