GM Workers go out on Strike...
09-25-2007, 11:23 AM
#81
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This sucks I just found out that these A holes on strike are costing me money by not shipping parts I need to fix my customers vehicles. What a bunch of whiners. This whole thing makes no sense, if these are the kind of people that worked for me and I were GM it would be great incentive to move every damn position in the company to a different country. They are only making things worse for themselves. Way to think things through UAW!
I would move my workforce over seas as well if I had Union thugs telling me what I HAD to pay them. Everybody gets paid the same regardless of education, merit and/or ability. Thats a tad too socialist for me.
09-25-2007, 11:25 AM
#82
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Just look at Toyota workers in the US. They have benefits and a decent wage. They have turned down the UAW a number of times. Apparently the UAW cannot offer anything more then they alredy have that would make it worth it.
BTW they are making more then $200 a week as I write this.
I keep reading of profits going to Japan. Thats right but much of that REINVESTED in the US.
Design issues are the fault of GM and their low bid suppliers. When the Japanese order a part from a supplier they demand it lasy x amount of years and will pay more for the part. This has gone all the way back to when they first exported cars to the US. If GM or Ford can save a dime on a door handle they will use the less expensive one.
Match the Vegas against the then Honda Civics, Its very clear to see. That is not the Worker's fault. It's GM brass believe Americans "won't ever buy Japanese cars enmass" Arrogant thinking. While the JApanese slowly captured the market.
I had a Toyota truck with 95,000 that blew a head gasket. I took it to Toyota to have it fixed at my cost. They replaced both head gaskets free because they claimed there was inferior material used between certain years. I was not even the original owner! This is a great example of why Toyota does so well. They will spend money to keep their reputation.
Their workers know they won't be laid off and don't want some union rep negotiating for them or protecting the bad workers from being fired.
Screw the UAW. GM should go bankrupt and reorg like Delta Airlines. I blame the UAW for GM's resistance to use reliable parts and cut corners.
Really is it too much to ask for a machined tapped door lock shaft?
BTW they are making more then $200 a week as I write this.
I keep reading of profits going to Japan. Thats right but much of that REINVESTED in the US.
Design issues are the fault of GM and their low bid suppliers. When the Japanese order a part from a supplier they demand it lasy x amount of years and will pay more for the part. This has gone all the way back to when they first exported cars to the US. If GM or Ford can save a dime on a door handle they will use the less expensive one.
Match the Vegas against the then Honda Civics, Its very clear to see. That is not the Worker's fault. It's GM brass believe Americans "won't ever buy Japanese cars enmass" Arrogant thinking. While the JApanese slowly captured the market.
I had a Toyota truck with 95,000 that blew a head gasket. I took it to Toyota to have it fixed at my cost. They replaced both head gaskets free because they claimed there was inferior material used between certain years. I was not even the original owner! This is a great example of why Toyota does so well. They will spend money to keep their reputation.
Their workers know they won't be laid off and don't want some union rep negotiating for them or protecting the bad workers from being fired.
Screw the UAW. GM should go bankrupt and reorg like Delta Airlines. I blame the UAW for GM's resistance to use reliable parts and cut corners.
Really is it too much to ask for a machined tapped door lock shaft?
09-25-2007, 11:31 AM
#83
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I've said it before... unions dont set wages and force em down the employers throat. Employees tell the union what they want to make, the union then negotiates on behalf of the employee. Let me ask a question and this may sound forward, how much do you make, and then tell me how much the guy doing the same job as you makes in the next booth stand cubical, whatever. If its more is that fair?
09-25-2007, 11:34 AM
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09-25-2007, 11:42 AM
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I'm all for keeping jobs in America but you and your union buddies are just proving to GM that they are making the right move financially by moving production plants to other countries and rebadging more and more cars from over seas. Not only that you are currently pushing for me and others like me to loose my job by not doing yours. I'm sure its unlikely that I will loose my job but I do stand to loose money, why should your problem become my problem. If you people would just do your job without demanding more than you deserve your job security future would look a lot brighter.
09-25-2007, 11:44 AM
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I've got some hard numbers what it costs my Employer to have me around Operating. For all you non union guys who think its in the $90 range+.
all rates are an hour
Health and welfare $5.65
pension $5.20
Apprenticeship program $0.30
Target Construction research fund $0.05
and the big number
Wage $29.65
total $40.85
Hummm thats a $50 difference from the 90 you guys were sayin. UAW wages are less than this BY FAR
As far as your argument for merit raises New hire employees have a $2 an hour wage reduction for the first 1000 hours worked, then a $1 reduction for the second 1000 hours worked and thereafter is at full scale. Also they are on probation for the first 6 months where at any time they may be dismisses without reason. In 6 months you know if someone is worth keeping or not. Doesnt seem like so much when you really think about it.
all rates are an hour
Health and welfare $5.65
pension $5.20
Apprenticeship program $0.30
Target Construction research fund $0.05
and the big number
Wage $29.65
total $40.85
Hummm thats a $50 difference from the 90 you guys were sayin. UAW wages are less than this BY FAR
As far as your argument for merit raises New hire employees have a $2 an hour wage reduction for the first 1000 hours worked, then a $1 reduction for the second 1000 hours worked and thereafter is at full scale. Also they are on probation for the first 6 months where at any time they may be dismisses without reason. In 6 months you know if someone is worth keeping or not. Doesnt seem like so much when you really think about it.
09-25-2007, 11:47 AM
#88
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I'm all for keeping jobs in America but you and your union buddies are just proving to GM that they are making the right move financially by moving production plants to other countries and rebadging more and more cars from over seas. Not only that you are currently pushing for me and others like me to loose my job by not doing yours. I'm sure its unlikely that I will loose my job but I do stand to loose money, why should your problem become my problem. If you people would just do your job without demanding more than you deserve your job security future would look a lot brighter.
And the execs get their million dollar bonus's by how much profit they made the company...
It may be the WRONG move financially if all the workers in the US stop earning a living and no one can buy their product.... Some of you just dont grasp the big picture!
09-25-2007, 11:48 AM
#89
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Wait until workers in other parts of the world all earn living wages and have our safety assurances in place. Then prices to make everything everywhere will become higher. Not a good future for those hoping to maximize profits , is it?
Ah, well, this thread is about unions though, and they have been useful in the past, though perhaps not so much in the present.
I hope we we all keep our jobs.
09-25-2007, 11:49 AM
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Good I hope your job gets moved overseas too... UAW has training programs for its members, do non union guys have that. Nope, they dont. Merit raises? come on. I do the same work you do and you want a raise based on merit??? Or do you want your raise based on how close your nose gets to the bosses rectum? Its about getting paid the same as the guy standing next to you for doing the same work.
I've said it before... unions don't set wages and force em down the employers throat. Employees tell the union what they want to make, the union then negotiates on behalf of the employee. Let me ask a question and this may sound forward, how much do you make, and then tell me how much the guy doing the same job as you makes in the next booth stand cubical, whatever. If its more is that fair?
I've said it before... unions don't set wages and force em down the employers throat. Employees tell the union what they want to make, the union then negotiates on behalf of the employee. Let me ask a question and this may sound forward, how much do you make, and then tell me how much the guy doing the same job as you makes in the next booth stand cubical, whatever. If its more is that fair?
IF the guy next to me makes more it's probably because he stays later and does his job better. And yes THATS fair. IF I am working harder then the guy next to me I should make more.
I make $10/ hour My boss just gave me $1500 "bonus" because he likes my work. Yes thats fair. I also earn commissions based on sales which are the highest every month. Yes thats fair. I work 30 hours a week because I do not need to work 40 and still earn more then the guy next to me. That's fair. We all do the same thing.
I worked in the the Stage hands union, IATSE for years after college. I had to stand around most f the time due to "feather bedding" in the contracts. When a major Rock show came to town or a movie set they had to hire so many local members for each roadie whether or not we were needed. So many of us just stood around while others set up the stages. For $15 and hour! I quit because I did not like the idea of Unions then as now. I got a job making more and doing more at a non union theater in Las Vegas. IATSE tried to organize us but Steve Wynn paid us more and we had much better benefits. Those guys still do and love their jobs. I had bought a couple houses in Vegas and sold them during the RE bubble three years ago in Vegas and "retired" to Myrtle Beach.