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Old 04-05-2009, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lady3bglover
Listen, I've been looking on line and the slightly used Camaro's and Vette's are being bought up from what I can access. There are plenty of after market mods available.

Now for the CTS-V... which is the one that I prefer, there are more than a few available at a decent price from the 04 - 05's.

I am fortunate that I have the 5.3L block in the truck because it is the most versatile.
The only slightly used Camaros available would be the 4th gens, which had nothing to do with the Performance division, the Z28 was developed by the RPO engineering group, taking some input from SLP who did the SS (as time went by there were fewer and fewer differences between the two). Corvettes likewise are under Team Corvette. The only model that likely won't appear as a result of this is the new Z28, and that was under pressure from development cost, emission and mileage concerns anyway.
Wanna buy a 10000 mile Camaro? https://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/4/7/6/3/side.jpg
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pg318
The only slightly used Camaros available would be the 4th gens, which had nothing to do with the Performance division, the Z28 was developed by the RPO engineering group, taking some input from SLP who did the SS (as time went by there were fewer and fewer differences between the two). Corvettes likewise are under Team Corvette. The only model that likely won't appear as a result of this is the new Z28, and that was under pressure from development cost, emission and mileage concerns anyway.
Wanna buy a 10000 mile Camaro? https://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/4/7/6/3/side.jpg

Sorry, I'm am only interested in the new body style Camaro, and if I do purchase one it's going to be the 3.6L RS with 6spd manual, and I will have my tuner take care of the rest. Good luck on your sale.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lady3bglover
Sorry, I'm am only interested in the new body style Camaro, and if I do purchase one it's going to be the 3.6L RS with 6spd manual, and I will have my tuner take care of the rest. Good luck on your sale.
I've no intention of selling it, unless there's a new shape Camaro convertible in the deal, and I doubt that's going to happen in the new leaner GM. There wasn't the sales volume to justify ongoing sales of the 4th gen, so I doubt that investment will ever be made.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pg318
I've no intention of selling it, unless there's a new shape Camaro convertible in the deal, and I doubt that's going to happen in the new leaner GM. There wasn't the sales volume to justify ongoing sales of the 4th gen, so I doubt that investment will ever be made.


Better read and learn what really is going on.

GM had the Camaro on line just late. The reason? The supplying company for the top parts in Germany has majore finacial problems. GM is working to repace that vendor and still bring the car to market. None of this has to do with Camaro sales or GM's problems.

Now the Z28 is on hold and the odds are good that it will not come to market. The reason there is it will make little profit and be a hard sell at the price point it will have to sell at. They were talking $50K plus on a limited edition. The car is done ready for market. Note the Bumble Bee in the new Transformer movie will be based on the new Z28.

Also the loaning of Goverment money will also keep the hold on.

The Camaro is set to remain around till 2016 with changes and till a new small RWD Alpha program comes in. That leaves a lot of time for things to change so best to keep you eyes open as right now the future can change and change fast.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:23 PM
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The current Camaro and Corvette are probably the last performance vehicles that the STATE will allow to be designed. Better get one while they last. The STATE has determined that the individual does not know what is good for him so performance vehicles will be going away.....
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Thank you Obama, for making vehicles that suck.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:44 PM
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The current Camaro and Corvette are probably the last performance vehicles that the STATE will allow to be designed. Better get one while they last. The STATE has determined that the individual does not know what is good for him so performance vehicles will be going away.....
Well The Vette and Camaro have some time yet on the market and GM had better be out of trouble by 2014 or out from goverment meddling by then.

This should not be a long term deal. One the goverment is not going to give money for that long and GM will have to go Chapter 11 or work it's way out by then.

The CTS V coupe is also still coming.

The plain fact is the cars GM is coming out with after the Camaro were never planned to have special performance editions. The Volt Cruze, Equinox, Lacrossse, Spark, Orlando and other models are going to be great cars and for the most will not need a special performance editions.

Ther Lacrosse for example will have 250 HP DI engine and AWD as options. It already looks like a Lexus.

The bottom line is we will get perfromance again GM right now just needs to get their house in order with the main line products that pay the bills.

It is cars like the base HHR that pay the bills at GM not the SS model.

Chevy needs to drive the sales of the Malibu over 200,000+ a year and the Cruze like wise.

The Malibu today with no SS model is not a big deal. My Moms 08 Bu LT with the 3.6 v6 and handling package will run right with my 04 GTP Comp G Grand Prix. In fact if she would want to trade I would do it in a second as the Bu drives so well it make my GP feel like crap. The Bu has a better interior, better ride, better drivetrain with the 3.6 and Six speed tranny. Also it handles as well too.

So just because it may not say SS does not mean fun cars are not all around. Don't underesimate the new cars coming out of GM.
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The only problem I see with your sceneario is I strongly doubt Obama is going to give up control of GM once he gets his people in place. He's a Socialist at heart and wants the government to run everything. They have already refused to take TARP money back from 4 banks that haven't used it but were forced to take it. They have offered the money back with interest and were told they weren't allowed to return it along with a few veiled threats if they continued to try. Nice, huh?

http://news.aol.com/political-machin...bailout-funds/


Under the Bush team a prominent and profitable bank was forced to accept less than $1 billion in TARP money. [...] Fast forward to today and that same bank is begging to give the money back. The chairman offers to write a check now, with interest. He's been sitting on the cash for months and has felt the dead hand of government threatening to run his business and dictate pay scales. He sees the writing on the wall and he wants out. But the Obama team says no, since unlike the smaller banks that gave their TARP money back, this bank is far more prominent. The bank has also been threatened with 'adverse consequences' if its chairman persists."

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/o...05/199957.html
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The only problem I see with your sceneario is I strongly doubt Obama is going to give up control of GM once he gets his people in place. He's a Socialist at heart and wants the government to run everything. They have already refused to take TARP money back from 4 banks that haven't used it but were forced to take it. They have offered the money back with interest and were told they weren't allowed to return it along with a few veiled threats if they continued to try. Nice, huh?

http://news.aol.com/political-machin...bailout-funds/


Under the Bush team a prominent and profitable bank was forced to accept less than $1 billion in TARP money. [...] Fast forward to today and that same bank is begging to give the money back. The chairman offers to write a check now, with interest. He's been sitting on the cash for months and has felt the dead hand of government threatening to run his business and dictate pay scales. He sees the writing on the wall and he wants out. But the Obama team says no, since unlike the smaller banks that gave their TARP money back, this bank is far more prominent. The bank has also been threatened with 'adverse consequences' if its chairman persists."

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/o...05/199957.html
I know what you mean as I don't trust the Bamster either.

I would be more worried about laws that could be put into place to control Detroit more so than just this. Just look at the emission laws they keep changing. We have 3 and 3/4 years to go there is a lot of damage to our capitalistic system can occur. The latest changes are estimated to cost each MFG more then $14 Billion alone at a time they all can not afford it.

Keep in mind there will be a lot of Senate and House seats open in less than two years. At the rate things are going I see a real change coming then. They may not be an answer to all things but it will slow down the dismantaling of our American economic system.

Getting Nancy P out of the speaker seat would be a major step in the right direction. No pun intended.
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Originally Posted by hyperv6
I know what you mean as I don't trust the Bamster either.

I would be more worried about laws that could be put into place to control Detroit more so than just this. Just look at the emission laws they keep changing. We have 3 and 3/4 years to go there is a lot of damage to our capitalistic system can occur. The latest changes are estimated to cost each MFG more then $14 Billion alone at a time they all can not afford it.

Keep in mind there will be a lot of Senate and House seats open in less than two years. At the rate things are going I see a real change coming then. They may not be an answer to all things but it will slow down the dismantaling of our American economic system.

Getting Nancy P out of the speaker seat would be a major step in the right direction. No pun intended.
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