Shoppers ignore dying victim!!!
07-05-2007, 08:25 AM
#31
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Why does the media and people on this site like to blow crap out of proportion. I'm sorry but if I see someone laying there bleeding I am not going to touch them or try to help. I'll call 911 but that's it. You guys are assuming that the people could have helped and didn't but maybe they are like me and couldn't. I know for damn sure that I don't know how to stop the bleeding of a stabbing victim especially if it's to a vital area. I'm not a doctor, paramedic, trained in first aid, or any of that crap. Secondly there is no way I am going to come in contact with an unknown persons bodily fluids. Why do you think paramedics protect themselves and protective gear like rubber gloves and a mask thing so you can give mouth to mouth without contact are included in a first aid kit? Diseases can be passed through blood! For me it would have nothing to do with compassion being emotionally detached or anything like that. It would be simple logic that I don't know what to properly do so if I did try to help I would make matters worse and I am not going to put my own life at risk playing in potentially AIDS infested blood. IMO if you did try to help you would be a moron without the proper training or protection.
As for the cellphone camera... I guess some people get their jollies of things that others deem sick and immoral.
07-09-2007, 03:26 PM
#32
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kentucky doesnt have a good samaritan law. i found this out the night i kept a kid (i say kid, im talking 15-17 years old) from being beat to death by some guys at a local park. they had jumped him and 2 of them had bats. one had the kids head and was bouncing it off the concrete, another was wailing on him with the bat while the rest took turns kicking him. i went to intervene, caught a bat to the head for my trouble (ten stitches above the left orbital) and had to go toe to toe with a few while waiting for the police. (yay me i didnt get knocked down) police arrived and informed me that since the group that i saw attacking claimed (the only witnesses btw) that the kid started the altercation that i came in on the part of the aggressor. even though i stopped him from being even more seriously injured, if by no other means than giving them someone else to beat on, i was myself an aggressor. if i pressed charges i would be the one going to jail because they could in turn press charges for the damage i caused to them while trying to help. the only thing that happened was that the ones that used the bats went to jail.
so the damages were
1 kid in critical because they messed him up.
10 stiches to me
one broken kneecap (not me)
2 broken noses (again not me lol)
and assorted bruises
lesson learned... be very leary of helping out, even in a situation that seems to be self explanatory. very sad to say but true.
07-09-2007, 03:32 PM
#33
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07-09-2007, 03:33 PM
#34
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kentucky doesnt have a good samaritan law. i found this out the night i kept a kid (i say kid, im talking 15-17 years old) from being beat to death by some guys at a local park. they had jumped him and 2 of them had bats. one had the kids head and was bouncing it off the concrete, another was wailing on him with the bat while the rest took turns kicking him. i went to intervene, caught a bat to the head for my trouble (ten stitches above the left orbital) and had to go toe to toe with a few while waiting for the police. (yay me i didnt get knocked down) police arrived and informed me that since the group that i saw attacking claimed (the only witnesses btw) that the kid started the altercation that i came in on the part of the aggressor. even though i stopped him from being even more seriously injured, if by no other means than giving them someone else to beat on, i was myself an aggressor. if i pressed charges i would be the one going to jail because they could in turn press charges for the damage i caused to them while trying to help. the only thing that happened was that the ones that used the bats went to jail.
so the damages were
1 kid in critical because they messed him up.
10 stiches to me
one broken kneecap (not me)
2 broken noses (again not me lol)
and assorted bruises
lesson learned... be very leary of helping out, even in a situation that seems to be self explanatory. very sad to say but true.
so the damages were
1 kid in critical because they messed him up.
10 stiches to me
one broken kneecap (not me)
2 broken noses (again not me lol)
and assorted bruises
lesson learned... be very leary of helping out, even in a situation that seems to be self explanatory. very sad to say but true.
07-09-2007, 04:45 PM
#35
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there are some states (not sure which) which have good samaritans laws pertaining to helping a victim during the commission of a crime. they were originally written for abuse/domestic cases, but in some cases have been extended to include assaults, robberies, rapes etc. but kentucky is not one of them.
07-09-2007, 05:25 PM
#36
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fantomfreke, you didn`t by chance , in your encounter, see anyone with a stop watch, timing how long it took someone to call 9-1-1.
That seemed to be almost as bad as not jumping on the person and administering first-aid/cpr.
If the theory is to wait until the action stops before you start helping, well of course someone is gonna want your picture posted as a by-stander, not willing to help/ease the suffering...
It`s real easy to become THE victim, in the Nation of Litigation...
That seemed to be almost as bad as not jumping on the person and administering first-aid/cpr.
If the theory is to wait until the action stops before you start helping, well of course someone is gonna want your picture posted as a by-stander, not willing to help/ease the suffering...
It`s real easy to become THE victim, in the Nation of Litigation...
07-10-2007, 01:31 AM
#38
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It's a question of character, some have it, some don't. Anybody that stood by and did nothing is lacking what separates us from animals.
07-10-2007, 05:50 AM
#39
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The other aspect of this story was that this was a stabbing victim, attacked in the store by someone she either knew, or had a confrontation with. That`s all we know about this situation, maybe the other shoppers observed the women before the stabbing, and actually wanted to avoid her and the assaulants, fearing for their own safety. As noted in the previous post, it`s hard to know who starts the ball to roll, and you can very easily join the wrong side.
I think the person with the cellphone just became the scapegoat and focus of the story...
07-10-2007, 07:30 AM
#40
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I believe you mean "Wild" animals, because we are animals regardless, unless you`re a plant or mineral.
The other aspect of this story was that this was a stabbing victim, attacked in the store by someone she either knew, or had a confrontation with. That`s all we know about this situation, maybe the other shoppers observed the women before the stabbing, and actually wanted to avoid her and the assaulants, fearing for their own safety. As noted in the previous post, it`s hard to know who starts the ball to roll, and you can very easily join the wrong side.
I think the person with the cellphone just became the scapegoat and focus of the story...
The other aspect of this story was that this was a stabbing victim, attacked in the store by someone she either knew, or had a confrontation with. That`s all we know about this situation, maybe the other shoppers observed the women before the stabbing, and actually wanted to avoid her and the assaulants, fearing for their own safety. As noted in the previous post, it`s hard to know who starts the ball to roll, and you can very easily join the wrong side.
I think the person with the cellphone just became the scapegoat and focus of the story...