dbarberaz

B/B
I dont think anyone is attacking you. YOU started a post claiming the troops are coming home. You based this on the news the Brits are going to slowly withdraw. There is nothing stated anyway that the USA is pulling out anytime soon. Then along the way you turned this into a thread on should we even be over there.
If you feel you are being attacked then maybe you should not have started a thread that can be sensitive to many people. Yes you can voice your views and no one can stop that, but if you dont want attacked then dont voice views on subjects that will cause this, and if you do then dont be thin skined . Yes you have made vaild points I bet most people would agree with, but if someone doesnt agree they are going to attack and you should sit back and take it because in a way you may have attacked them.

Enough from me as this is getting into as this thread keeps going down hill. I shall sit back and only read

captain howdy

We have always created our own terrorist, not just recently with the war in Iraq. Maybe if America would stop sticking our noses in other people business and stop with our belief that the US should be the only country with nukes so many people wouldn't hate US. Does anyone else other than me realize how much Americans are hated in every other country around the world? Even our supposed allies hate us. We feel we have to police the world while our own home land goes to ****. I love that we always make a big deal over WMDs and so forth but we are the only country that has ever been stupid enough to use them.

mizzouHHR

The reason we are hated is becouse we are the only world superpower, and to the terrorist, we are the great satin, becouse we are not muslim. I don't believe we are as hated around the world by our allies as many like to think. We are the big dog, so it is natural to speak out against us. As far as nukes go, yes I believe we should be the only country with nukes. Do you honestly believe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il should posses weapons that could wipe out an entire county? I don't. We are the only nation to use this type of weapon, and that weapon ended World War 2 saving countless American and Japanese lives. One thing we learned from that experince is we never want this type of weapon used again, and it won't be, at least not by us, unless we are facing the threat of being wiped out. As I said earlier, I don't expect to change anyones mind, and you are intitled to your opinion. I just see things very different.

captain howdy

Reasoning like this is why we are hated. I’m not talking about just terrorist either; I’m talking about your average civilian. How would you like someone from a country who thought they were better than you because of what they think to be some god given right? Who feels they are powerful enough to control the world through force simply because we are "the big dog". Who has no appreciation for others cultures and way of lives because they are different than ours. Americans are so small minded when it comes to anything outside of America. Maybe that's why we try to turn the rest of the world into America. I have buddies that won’t even admit to being American in Europe because of the backlash and hatred they will receive. They lie and say they are Canadian. We truly are hated in every country around this world other than our own.

How the hell did blowing the **** out of Japan save Japanese lives? If I remember correctly we killed like 214,000 Japanese that were mostly civilian while the American Japanese sat over here in concentration, oops I mean internment camps. Wait......I get it. It's the same way destroying Iraq is saving and freeing Iraqis. I personally don't care who has nukes. We would have no reason to fear other countries having them if we would stop pissing everyone else off. Using Korea as an example. Do you think Kim Jong-Il is actually going to wake up one morning and say, “Wow, what a great day to destroy the world." and press the button. I don't think so! It's more likely that he would use them in retaliation to us fu**ing with him like we have to fu** with everyone else.

mizzouHHR

First of all I never said we are better than anyone else. I don't feel that way at all. The fact is we are the lone superpower, that does not make us better. I have a very good understanding and appreciation of other cultures, just not the ones who want to destroy me becouse I don't pray to allah. I also don't recall saying I want to turn the world into America, becouse I don't. I do believe others should have the freedom we are all born with, and not be opressed by some thug dictator. As far as saving japanese lives, had we invaded Japan, the death toll would have been much higher on both sides. The Japanese will and honor of country is very strong, and they would have fought with a great deal of desperation. By dropping the bombs, we broke thier will to fight.

As far as your comments about nukes, that scares the hell out of me. Of course people didn't see Hitler as much of a threat either, until it was too late.

captain howdy

I'm sorry! I didn't mean you in particular; I guess I should have phrased it better. I was referring to the average modern American mentality. I'm not going to go on with the WWII thing. You also have to remember I'm coming from a Democratic Socialist stand point. We can't help anyone outside our country if we can't even solve our own problems. To try and do so is just futile, idiotic, and costly in both lives and resources. I could care less about supposed Iraqi freedom when there is so much poverty, injustice, and wrong in our own country. No matter how much we intervene in the Middle East we will never change a damn thing! No matter how much we fight the war on terror we will never end terrorism! This war is being fought over nothing more than materialistic and economic purposes no matter what we try to hide behind or how noble we make the cause sound. Maybe the Brits smartened up and realized that.

Z-Man

Our Troops are not coming home until the Job is Done, We are sending more troops over every day I know because we are loosing men & women from were I work that are going every week. Nothing has change, We just need to sit back and support our Troops no matter what.

Rudy (Z-Man) aka LLB

captain howdy

Support the troops is such a strong statement because IMO in essence it means support the war. While I do respect every man and woman that fights or has ever fought for this country and find it very admirable and honorable that they blindly serve this country whether or not they agree with their actions I just can't bring myself to use that term. It sounds like I'm condoning our county's actions which is far from the truth. I like supporting our soldiers much better personally.

mizzouHHR

No need to appologize, no offense taken. I understand and respect your points on taking care of our borders first, and I agree to a point. However I feel there are legitimite reasons for this war, and I'm very worried about the outcome if we quit before the job is done. I think we can make a difference in the Middle East, but it won't be easy, and it will take time.

Black Beauty

Did anyone watch the HBO special "GHOSTS OF ABU GHRAIB", last night?
Our government showing it`s finest hour, and most inspirational attempt at spreading Democracy to the Middle East.
Of course some would question, Wheres the harm...