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11-15-2009 | 08:21 AM

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2008_hhr_ss

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Originally Posted by unique_w

Intermittent misfires are the worst kind to diagnose because the misfire comes and goes depending on engine load or operating conditions. The engine may only misfire and run rough when cold but then smooth out as it warms up. Or, it may start and idle fine but then misfires or hesitates when it comes under load. Also, it may run fine most of the time but suddenly misfires or cuts out for no apparent reason. Intermittent misfires can be a real challenge to diagnose.

Beyond the timing, coils, spark plugs, injectors and valves - intermittent low fuel pressure can also starve the engine for fuel and create a lean fuel mixture that can cause misfires.

As stated in a prior post - why not take the HHR to another GM Dealer e.g. -
Rosner Chevrolet
800 S. Harbor City Blvd.
Melbourne, Florida

That is the problem, it is intermittent. It doesnt seem to do it when it is cold, but since it is a turbo car it warms up pretty quick so in the 5 minutes it takes to come up to temp, I havent noticed anything. It seems to do it most under light throttle, but it throws the code most of the time under 100% throttle.

This last time to the dealer they said the fuel pressure was higher than similar vehicles, so they adjusted the fuel pressure, changed the rail and the injectors.

I think I may just do that when it happens again, Rosner isnt too far away from where I work and I actually used to work at Rosner when it was Rathman lol.

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Originally Posted by hyperv6

The 2.0 is a very complex engine that most dealer struggle with and even here the guys making mods are often learning the hard way.

The bottom line is GM can and will kill a warrantry when you start to make changes. Often they have no way to know if or if not some of these changes have mess someting up. Even GM after spending million on some of these engine learn after production starts things that need fixed like the low vac on the turbo engine at start up.

GM has to protect themselves with the warranty. Often they are expected to pay of fix someone elses error. People can and should be able to make mods but also need to be prepared to accpet the responsibility that goes with it. If you can not afford or are willing to accept this then don't mess with it till the warranrty is out.

I feel for you and I am sure it will get worked out but don't expect GM to buy back a car with mods.

Also note to all GM people here do read on this site so I would not brag too much about racing and other behavior that would result in the eliminatation of a warranty claim. The Subaru WRX guys have already had issues for Racing and Subaru has found their post to use against them.

In racing you play you pay no one raced free.

Yeah, we learned that GM watches the hard way. Last year we had a piston edge come apart, that piece of the piston hit the valve and somehow split the #7 cylinder. When we took it in to have it repaired, the dealer went online (because the car had LS2GTO.com on the side and his screen name) and found out that it had been raced, thus not warrantying the repair. Its fine, we still ended up going with a GM crate LS3 with their 480hp cam. They said you can race all you want on the streets, but not the track. During that whole thing I bought my HHR towards the end. While my step mom was talking with GM corporate they asked her if I had just bought my HHR SS, and then continued to tell her not to let me modify it. (Even though the salesman and the sales manager told me it was okay to modify it, but to stick with ECU only mods, yeah right, you arent getting me that way)

Im well aware of GM trolling boards looking for stuff. I have no problem with them being able to see the cars I have raced in the past, but with the HHR I have not. Since, GM themselves told us that they go to the track watching for "higher performance vehicles" such as Corvettes, Camaros, GTOs, HHR SS's, Cobalt SS's etc. They have recently started watching the HHR and Cobalt due to the "tuner" crowd. I like my warranty, for cases like this. Plus, if I didnt have a warranty I wouldnt have known about my split rocker arm from the 2nd to last time to the dealer lol.

11-15-2009 | 09:54 AM

#42

unique_w

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Joined: 05-19-2009

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Rosner Chevrolet

2008_hhr_ss; Can understand your frustration, had glass-pack duals put on my Sonoma and they did not affect the warranty for various warranty problems, not to say if I was claiming it to be a Lemon that things might have been different on GM's part.

Have found that many Service Manager's know who is the best Tech for a given problem, if you go to Rosner's advise the Service Rep you would like to talk with the Service Manager, after explaining the problem to the Manager ask who is the best Tech their for a problem like this, and request that Tech, even if it has to be scheduled. Also, ask if you can talk or meet with the District or Operations Manager at their convenience.

Good Luck !

11-15-2009 | 08:49 PM